Poll
Do You Think USNMC Is Doing All it Can, OR Could it Be Doing More?
The New BOD Are Doing A Great Job
Votes: 4 | 14.29%
The New BOD Are Doing A Poor Job
Votes: 2 | 7.14%
The New BOD Are Doing All They Can
Votes: 9 | 32.14%
The New BOD Are Doing Nothing And Are Not Even Around For Normal Questions
Votes: 8 | 28.57%
I Miss The Old BOD
Votes: 0 | 0%
What is The USNMC?
Votes: 5 | 17.86%
Comments
| JLBG
09 Jan : 22:37  | As a non-member and not knowing who was one the previous board(s) and how efficient they were I can't compare in order to vote. However, I think more can be done. Will get that application in eventually... |
| Brigda
10 Jan : 11:04  | IMO, only, the usnmc has become all about showing, and the nationals. It is NOT for the newbie. I have had owners ask me about it. In fact, one of my owners just yesterday, stated that she did not know or understand about the usnmc. She seemed to believe it was only for breeders, and show folks!!! Is this really what we want??? Come on!! I do know, that it is not what we want, here, at CM. We want an active club, that is into educating!!!! And promoting health. The website has nothing on it in regard to the MHO, does it?? But..... tons in regard to the national show. But then, it states in the minutes, months ago, that the website was voted by the bod to be replaced, and would be up in OCT. It is a new DECADE! Isn't it clear what is important to the BOD? And.... it is not the new puppy person, who is looking for help. It simply isn't. I'm sorry. There needs to be perspective drawn here. I am reaching out to the BOD to think differently, and act responsibly, in our world, today. Not, as in what it appears, how important a show in CA will be. Of course, the show should be out west. No one ever said it shouldn't. I don't believe many will come from the MW or the East. It is too cost prohibitive. But, knock yourselves out!! In the past, haven't all trophies been paid for well in advance??? I think they have, at least last year. What does this say? Respectfully, Anne |
| ccal
10 Jan : 11:38  | Hello Anne, The new office for the USNMC has been in place for about 6-7 months? The plannings and preparations for the 2010 Nationals were very behind around election time which at this present moment may give the impressions that the Nationals is the key issue right now. The new more active Board of Directors have only been in place for about 60 days or so. I am working on 3 projects myself. I believe you should be a little more patient and wait to see the results. Nothing is perfect but results are coming, I am confident in that. P.S The first soucre of information and guidance for a newbie with a puppy should be the breeder. If one (newbie) wants to be more active for the breed as a whole, a local club or becoming a member of the parent club and learnig is a good start. |
| Brigda
10 Jan : 17:54 | Carlos, This is 1/4 of the elected term, isn't it? This didn't happen when Sharon's team took over, did it? I certainly remember that. OMG, what if Obama said that??? I realize that is stupid, but.... isn't this important? Of course, nothing is perfect. I don't expect it to be, no one does. But, people do expect communication, and responsibile choices, behavior. I am new to the breeding world. I hope I am doing ok with my puppy peeps. I know I can do better, and I will. Eventually, I will have a book that I create for them. With pictures, what to expect, what to do, who to call, etc, etc.... I have friends that I have made thru my breeding, close, beloved friends. I hope and pray to make more. I, as a breeder, am available, as much as I possibly can be. I go to homes, and help with others dogs. I, as a new handler, try to help others in the ring, I have shown others dogs, even at the last minute... and won.... So, yes, I agree, the initial source and guidance is the breeder. Unfortunately, I wasn't blessed with that situation with breeders of my past experiences. I have learned!!! And thank you very much for the education!! I hope NEVER to treat others the way past breeders have treated me, and others I know. I do know I will make mistakes, but here is the difference, Carlos.... I will own them. I will apologize, and make amends. You see, for me, and for Bill..... it is about these dogs. That I love so much. From the ugly reject to the world winner. It is not about making excuses, it is about taking action, and being responsible. And letting others help you when you are in over your head. And not being afraid to admit it. Sorry. And I do congratulate you. And wish you well. Anne |
| I Am Nobody
10 Jan : 21:09 | It seems to be that the new Prez wanted only 1 thing.... to get the Nationals over in their own area..... Now thats been achieved we see and hear nothing... |
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| JLBG
11 Jan : 00:03 | Out of curiosity, does anyone know why CA was picked as the location for this years nationals? I know on IC there was a lot of talk about moving it away from the east coast, which is fine but wouldn't it have made more sense to set it up in a region with more mastini being shown? Perhaps I am incorrect but I don't often hear about shows out that way that have a large neapolitan mastiff presence. Wouldn't the midwest or down towards Florida have made more sense? I have also heard about temperature concerns for CA that time of year. So just curious why it was chosen as the location. |
| Brigda
11 Jan : 06:14 | Jessica, I wish you luck in getting any answers. Members can't even get answers. Anne |
| pegnoca
11 Jan : 06:23 Reply to this | The only reason the National is in ANY part of the country is that someone local to that area has volunteered to do or coordinate the MASSIVE amount of work in that local area. We have been trying to move the National around the country since 1996 but it is difficult to move it anywhere unless you have someone in the area who knows hotels, airports, directions, restaurants, and who will be able to manage the things like trophies and transportation of judges and all the many many many many many many (did I say manY) things that need to be done locally. In the past the USNMC never had anyone in California volunteer. PL volunteered for this national. The date was, to my understanding, not the original date agreed to, but due to some confusions about working with other clubs this date was changed to. It's not ideal if the temps are too hot but hey, there is always going to be something to complain about. In regards to entries, there really are plenty of dogs in CA, WA, OR, AZ, NM and so on that should be able to come and enter and most of them have not been able to "make it" to the other nationals so far away. I think we should be able to have an entry in the 30's at least which isn'[t bad. Every club knows that holding a National in California or the far West will mean a somewhat smaller show. It's just a reality of geography and population. But you should be taking that into account in planning and you SHOULD be fair to people in all parts of the country. Anyway, since the club is having 2 specialties with sweepstakes on ONE day, the AKC has a rule that you can do this but you cannot have TOTAL ENTRIES for all events of over 100. So if the Sweepstakes has an entry of 10, the remaining 90 entries have to be divided between the two specialites, so you will not be able to have more than 45 dogs at either show. This is likely to be an expensive show. Having worked on the club's nationals every year from 1994 to 2007 I can tell you you have to watch every penny to make any sort of profit. You should use the info gained from previous nationals (the profit / loss report for each show shoudl be created each year (it always was before) and should be used to understand what the club is used to paying and income comeing. CA is a more expensive environment anyway, and this must be understood. I know that the show committee has its work cut out or them. Whoever is the show chair and show secretary really must be working very very hard. peggy |
| ccal
11 Jan : 06:24 | Just to be fair, it was their time to host a Nationals. 2011 will be in Atlanta,GA..... to celebrate the anniversary of the USNMC.....  |
| pegnoca
11 Jan : 06:31 Reply to this | In terms of voting on this "poll" I have not because I would have to vote for more than one opinion. I believe that the board is doing all that it can. I also believe that the board does not appear to be around to answer questions and that gives the appearance that they are doing nothing although I believe that is not true. I believe there is a steep learning curve and this group is overall pretty new and has to ascend that curve. It's not easy. It is made even harder because the last group had to go through the same learning curve and right around their 2 year mark when they'd learned a LOT most of them resigned....meaning there are too few left to help the other newbies. Being on the board is not easy and it's a LOT of work. And no matter WHAT you do someone is going to criticize you. Sometimes that criticism is valid, sometimes not. But it does go with the territory. I think the current group is overwhelmed and simply is working as hard to do everythign as they can. I don't think they understood how much work it really is and coming to grips with that and making it happen is tough. When I was President we had lots of club members come forth and say "I want to take this function over and make it better." And so Marlene Church took over fund-raising at the National and made it her baby and it was fantastic. Robert Gravel took over the website and made it his baby and it was amazing. Heather Weglarz took over the Neogram and made it function and it was her baby. Janet Hospodar took over ways-n-means and we had lots of stuff to sell in an on-line store and at the shows and that was her baby. Judges education and public education was my baby and we had a public education course and course-book and so on and so forth. There is LOTS more that had to be done and each one took club members to work together to make happen. All of these have to be done by new people and it's slow going to get stuff started from scratch (since everything I did and built over 15 years was tossed away but oh well). so patience is important. It is also important for the board to realize that they need to do a betfer job of COMMUNICATING and ANSWERING questions and BEING OUT THERE for club members. So, realize that this impatience isn'[t a bad thing...it's a sign that something needs to improve. And signs are always good. my thoughts. peggy |
| JLBG
11 Jan : 08:35 | Thanks for answering, I was just curious. Didn't know how it all worked. |
| pegnoca
11 Jan : 09:18 Reply to this | No problem. People shouldn't hesitate to ask questions. Just fyi, there is a "myth" that the USNMC always has shows in the East Coast......here is a list of where the national specialties have been over the years: 1992 -- New York State 1993 -- Washington DC 1994 -- New Jersey 1995 -- New Jersey 1996 -- Chciago, Illinois 1997 -- Boyerstown, Pennsylvania 1998 -- Clearwater, Florida 1999 -- Massachusetts 2000 -- Baltimore, Maryland 2001 -- St. Louis, Missouri 2002 -- New Jersey 2003 -- Louisville, Kentucky 2004 -- Memphis, Tennessee 2005 -- Beckley, West Virginia 2006 -- Pennsylvania 2007 -- Beckley, West Veriginia 2008 -- Timmonium, Maryland 2009 -- New Jersey Since, 1996 the club has been specifically trying to move it to different parts of the country to give different people the "advantage" of not having to drive far. The only or rather the main criteria is to have local people, club members, volunteer to do the local work. There is a LOT of local work, and so it's best if there's a GROUP of local club members willing to work together, and best if supplemented by local AKC people willing to help teach / train our local club members. peggy |
| Administrator
11 Jan : 10:53  | Looking at the map of USA every national specialty has been on the Eastern half of the map. 4 may be counted as the Mid West but being realistic about it the furthest west was St louis Missouri and it was still only 1/3rd of the way from the East Coast and 2/3rds from the West Coast being double the distance at 2000 something miles for anyone on the West Coast as it was for anyone on the East Coast. HIDDEN - YOU MUST BE LOGGED TO SEE |
| pegnoca
11 Jan : 12:25 Reply to this | You are right in your assessment of geography. I am only trying to point out that 1) the club WILL nove the show around the country IF 2) there is someone who will volunteer to do the footwork. As you can see from the results above, there has never been a volunteer out west, or in the south (unless you count Florida) or in the southwest. And that's really the only reason there's never been a national in those places to date. I have heard the exact same things you have about the pre-approved announcement, and certainly can observe the same things about people donating or not donating. And I certainly do agree about the ambitious nature of the donation requests. I am sure or at least I hope that the people making up that matrix took into account the proclivities of people in our mastino community and the effect that the economy, time of year, and general overall attitude. 'but since neither you nor I were there, we can only guess...or hope. Having done such things in the past I can tell youy it's never easy to get everything right. It is NEVER easy to run a national specialty..even if you have an experienced team and are using a familiar site. It is very HARD to run a national specialty when you have a new site, and a new team and it is VERY VERY difficult if the people trying to do the running don't ask quesions or listen to suggesetions or ideas. A National does best when the person doing the work has the experience...or at least when the person doing the work has the ear and eyes of someone with the experience. Not sure who is doing what in this case as it's not been clearly communicated. I have some uneasy thoughts but at this point, can only wait and see, like everyone else. Just because I might think things aren't going as well as one would hope doesn't mean that I think people aren't trying hard to do good stuff. peggy |
| pegnoca
12 Jan : 08:14 Reply to this | And finally, at the risk of igniting a firestorm, I, for one, do NOT miss the "old board" if you mean the people who ran the club from 2007-2009. Don't get me wrong, I know that group worked hard and thought they were doing the right thing. I have to believe that. At the same time, this group... ....destroyed the club's code of ethics without membership permission and now the identity of what it means to be a member of the club has completely changed (if it can be defined at all now) ....made many ambiguous and sadly bad changes to the club's bylaws and now there are many many confusing aspects that the club members and board MUST follow that don't make sense at all and some that are dangerous to the club ....CHANGED THE BYLAWS AFTER THE MEMBERSHIP VOTE without having the members approve the changes. This is apparent by what was published in the club's newsletter and what was sent to one board members who asked for a current copy of the bylaws as passed in the ballotting and who got the changed version ...deleted a function and robust website and put up a bsiically empty one. Why didnt' they add all of the information that was available to them?> or indeed, any of it? Again, I must say that I believe these problems ntroduced into the club's operations are NOT the product of anyone TRYING TO DO BAD THINGS. I believe that they ARE the product of a sad lack of experience and an even sadder unwillingness to ask questions and worst of all...a determination to change everything from before without an understanding or caring of trying to keep what was good and functional. And now the club suffers. And now the current board, even newer than the last, has to try to understand it all and figure out what is needs fixing. And many of the current board don't even remember what existed before and what has been lost and tossed. bottom line is, the club is struggling majorly and if anyone really wants to help, it needs your help! my thoughts. peggy |
| pegnoca
12 Jan : 08:18 Reply to this | oh yeah, they also lost or tossed all the public education materials that were developed as 1) fund-raiser for the club 2) information to excite and involve newbies for the breed 3) provide public education to anyone who became interested in the breed. Mastino 101 (for new owners) GONE Mastino 201 (for new breeders) GONE. sad sad sad. peggy |
| Drooln1
12 Jan : 14:31 Reply to this | I am finding the statements about the BOD not being available to answer ones questions hilarious !! I am one of the BOD and you know what I have gotten only a small amount of interest in asking questions and needing information, my contact info is very easy to find, I am a very easy person to speak to, but it seems more people like to sit and type on a message board about how the BOD are not "user friendly " hmmmmm very interesting, maybe if more people would stop complaining on a message board and contact one of the bod they would find some very interesting things out about what we are doing, what we have done and what we plan on doing in the future !!! |
| Brigda
12 Jan : 18:19 | Great! I have emailed all members of the bod, I have had addresses for, and I haven't heard from you. What is going on with the website? Why is there no news posted, except for the nationals? Why is the new BOD not posted on the site, except for in the meeting minutes? If the site doesn't work, except for new about the CA show, why not post frequently on the other forums? Why were the bylaws changed? Why do we NOT hear anything from the bod, even if the website is down, there are these boards for the members to be communicated with! They sure were posted on when the elections were coming up. But, now elected, no communication? You can say what you want about the club when Peggy was in charge, but the board did their level best to educate. IMO. And all that info from THAT site was discarded, and I still don't know why. I was very upset when that forum was killed, and all the articles discarded. There was valuable info I used. The site's forum never did well, and a member was actually attacked by a site administrator. Wow, how things have changed. Again, just saying... that would have NEVER happened with Peggy in charge. It is clear that the priorities have changed, and the speeches given during the campaign were just words. As PL stated on another forum. Hope to see many at the future Club initiatives and PLEASE donate without reservations ?? Right. Words. Sorry if I didn't email you, or if you didn't respond to my emails. I sent emails to all members of the bod that I had. And I truly believe, that if a new group of admin, in any CLUB!! Yes, this is just a club!!! That should be helping this breed!! Should try and communicate with it's members, in any way possible. So, you believe all the members should have sought out the BOD to ask questions? Does that sound like a good way to run an administration? New people to this breed, do not even know about this club. There is no communication to them. Yes, I refer them, Yes, we were considering making membership a perk of owning a CM dog, in a manner to boost membership, being committed to OUR club, and all. I have a link on our website. But, to what? Hilarious? I think, a sad state of affairs. The question was asked at the start, here, do you miss the old board? Hell, yes, I miss the old forum, the old board, where people were treated with respect. Even if the old admin left, the baby was thrown out with the bath water, wasn't it? And I for one, believe it was a poor decision. Thanks for listening. Again, only my opinion. |
| Deacon
12 Jan : 18:23  | They answer every question I have sent to them. I have even talked to them on the phone too. Maybe it is how you are asking or what you are asking for. |
| Brigda
12 Jan : 18:54 | That is great. I was asking for a member list. And as discussed above, about education that we had volunteered for, was posted about, and not contacted. Just that. You think the usnmc is communicating enuf? Do you think the new people in the breed would know who to go to? If they didn't have breeders that referred them? Like I said, this gives me no joy, but it is sad. And now, at this time in my life, I have my time I offered to donate to the usnmc now spoken for. By a group that actually wants help. |
| Drooln1
12 Jan : 20:55 Reply to this | Anne you HAVE NOT emailed me ! I check both inbox and spam mail on a daily basis and there is no email from you, the only thing I have when i search my entire gmail account is the emails for the neogram and those are not addressed to me but fwd's, so lets not go down the road where YOU have emailed ME and I have not responded because thats not the case. Also your bringing up things that went on well BEFORE the current board was in place, bylaws being changed ummm hello whats that about, as well as the old forum and message board, what did you want the current bod involved with those instances 2-4 years ago ? Stop blaming the board for things that happend in the past it is not under any of our control. As to the website, it has been one of our concerns since day one and after a few set backs we are on the verge of releasing the new site which is geared to be informative to both members and non members alike and which will educate and communicate ! I beg to differ I think this brins you MUCH joy and if you would like to continue with it at least with me please email or call, thanks |
| Brigda
12 Jan : 22:29 | I don't even know your name. I have seen this email in the past. Sorry. And, I don't have your email. As I said, I sent emails to all I had addys for. I even pmed a bod member, on this board, because I didn't have his email, but I do know him, on this board, because he posts. Sorry, still don't know, and this is still sad. so, no, it's really apparent, isn't it? And at this point, it's pretty clear the attitude of the board, isn't it? So, I don't need the member list, nor, to talk about education any longer. As I said, my time has been devoted in another direction, with a group that actually is happy for the assistance. But, thanks for the kind offer. |
| Brigda
12 Jan : 22:31 | Oh, sorry, seen Droolin, or that sign on in the past... Enuf is enuf, isn't it? Instead of fighting with me, why don't you post some usnmc news? Or, perhaps, some breed legislation, etc, etc... ? I'm done... |
| JLBG
12 Jan : 23:10 | Just curious, is there someone that is given the task of keeping other members and non-members updated with the goings on or is it something that is just mentioned as people feel it is necessary? Just didn't know if there was some organized way of going about informing others. Finally sent in my application!!! |
| Drooln1
12 Jan : 23:36 Reply to this | Anne who is fighting with who ? I certainly am not fighting with you, but you did not email me and I am a BOD for the USNMC, and please dont try and make out that your being attacked or anything like that by a member of the BOD as I re-read my post and there was no attacking lets not make that mole hill into a mountain ??? and yup I think I posted usnmc news in my post, I dont understand what your trying to get at ???? JLBG glad to hear you sent in your application ! we need members and encourage all to apply. As to your question we are really excited about the new web site, it will be easier to update the members of club going's on's , it should make communication so much easier, it seems like it has taken forever but very soon it will be finished and everyone hopefully will enjoy it. |
| Brigda
13 Jan : 01:37 | I do not even know who you are. Why don't you sign your name? No, I didn't click on your sign on. I did not email you, prolly, I did state, initially, I emailed the bod members I had addies for, including a pm to a board member, here, on UGM, because I knew he was a member of the bod. I certainly did not say I was being attacked. Really, sorry, I don't know you, have never conversed with you, on a board, or in person, that I know of. I just spent 15 minutes, searching the USNMC website, which doesn't introduce the new BOD. Sorry. It doesn't. Which one of these are you?? 2009-2011 Board Members: Dr. Pierluigi Scalia, Heather Giallella, Donna Welty, Nydia Thornton, Joseph Attaway, Rita Biddle, Heidi Brown, Sharon Costello, Sue Luedemann, Daniel Renfrow, Susan Vann-Spruill. I pasted that from the transitional meeting minutes. And, I have seen, because I was NOT a member, but it is posted, that the bylaws voted on THIS YEAR, were changed before being printed in the neogram. I asked about this. And, I'm sorry, I can't address you by name, because I don't know it. I didn't say I emailed you. I said I emailed members of the BOD, (and actually others who I thought could help me in the club.). of those addresses that I could FIND!! And I searched thru my 2 email accounts, thru the defunct web site. So, I apologize for not emailing you, but..... what is your name? And as to posting news.... Drooln1 12 Jan : 13:31 Reply to this I am finding the statements about the BOD not being available to answer ones questions hilarious !! I am one of the BOD and you know what I have gotten only a small amount of interest in asking questions and needing information, my contact info is very easy to find, I am a very easy person to speak to, but it seems more people like to sit and type on a message board about how the BOD are not "user friendly " hmmmmm very interesting, maybe if more people would stop complaining on a message board and contact one of the bod they would find some very interesting things out about what we are doing, what we have done and what we plan on doing in the future !!! That is what you posted, and where is the info? I am sorry, and I realize you may be unexperienced, but there is actually no communication here. And email you or call you? No addy, nor phone number? You could have pmed me, instead of trying to berate me publically, right? As the post is addressed, again..... DO YOU THINK USNMC IS DOING ALL IT CAN, OR COULD IT BE......... I didn't blame the loss of the old board on THIS board, or the other. I was simply stating I miss it. So, yes, I said I was done, hopefully, I am. |
| Administrator
13 Jan : 03:49 | Here is the people who are members here that i know of. Some others may be members but are unknown to me. Marked D/K Dr. Pierluigi Scalia, D/K Heather Giallella, D/K Donna Welty, D/K Nydia Thornton, NeoLeoLady Joseph Attaway, Attaway Rita Biddle, D/K Heidi Brown, Drooln1 Sharon Costello, D/K Sue Luedemann, D/K Daniel Renfrow, Renfrodg Susan Vann-Spruill 3Mastino Hope this helps |
| pegnoca
13 Jan : 06:08 Reply to this | To clarify a little bit....the names and email addresses and phone numbers of the members of the USNMC Board of Directors are not listed on the club's website anywhere. (the emails of the last board were never listed there.) The names and telephone numbers of the board ARE listed in the neogram but the email addresses are not given anywhere. Daniel Renfrow and Sue Luedemann have resigned (in August and October respectively I think) from the board of directors and in November the board selected Mindy Aaron-McElyea and Carlos Calderon as replacement board members. Don't know if this announcement was made anywhere except being noted in board meeting minutes. The two new names were listed in the latest neogram. I certainly know that the board is busier than busy and working on many initiatives. To give Anne credit, except for the National, there have been NO announcements or even INFORMATION about any other work being done. In fact, the announcements from board members about the national and pleas for donations have been done on two public message boards NOT on the club's message board. We all know that the club's website is pretty much not being used even by the club which is pretty sad. That's been pretty well true for two years now. And we have all heard that it will be re-written and replaced. And that is a good thing too. Impatience is normal, so don't get mad at people for being impatient. Take it as a sign that people also feel this is important! And when it is all done, will be happy again. And, just so you understand, psychologically, in the face of a feeling of no information updates people begin to think of reasons for the lack and those invented reasons are nearly always by default negative. It's not because people are bad or negative themselves, it's just the way our human brains work. So, Heidi, it is good that you and other board members will respond to emails (from people who know your emails) and to phone calls (from people who take that step too). And I am sure this is true of any of the board members...if contacted they WILL respond willingly and helpfully. And I KNOW how frustrating it is to hear that people aren't happy with communications when you're there thinking but if you'd only AKS I'd answer! The club just needs to take this conversation as a lesson-learned....communications on club initiatives needs to be improved...dramatically...and brainstorm ways that can be done? If the new website will be available soon (within the next two or three weeks) ok, you can probably wait for that..but if it's going to be longer than that...something should be put in place sooner than that.....like, if you can't update stuff on the website normally, can the the message forums on the club's website be used at all? That way club board members could post announcements in ONE place and respond to feedback and conversations about the club in a club-appropriate environment. (just a thought) It just would be better if the club's ruling body took the step of being pro-active in communicating to its membership. my thoughts peggy |
| Administrator
13 Jan : 06:32 | I think it would be wise to at least have some form of contact for an up to date list of BOD members. I am sure that we can make a list on UGm and place it as a sticky so that its the first topic seen at the top of general chat forum. Perhaps JC could do the same for you guys. At least until the new site is finished. Just a suggestion |
| Brigda
13 Jan : 10:05 | I did not start this poll. I did however, start a thread, and it went up, and THEN I saw Starr had started this poll. Thank you, Phil and Peggy, for just confirming what I have been asking. And suggesting. I think it would be a great idea, Phil, for you to have a sticky announcement. A lot of new people come here. This is usually a friendly site. Heidi, I do not have your address, nor phone number.Thank you, Peggy, for answering her, so at least I know whom I am addressing. I will copy and paste the addresses I have, from my rocketmail acct. Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:42:23 -0800 (PST) To: Pierluigi Scalia<plscalia@gmail.com>; Donna Welty<forrestedge@worldnet.att.net>; <nythornton@aol.com>; <catherinewm@cs.com>; <svann1@cox.net>; <renfrodg@plu.edu>; <hgiallella@yahoo.com>; <bigfootkennel@sbcglobal.net>; <RITABIDDLE@aol.com> As I stated, I am done attempting to contact this current BOD. As you can see, I have attempted, this was just the last one. As I also said, I pmed a BOD member, here, on ugm, someone I knew was on the board. And that person responded. I can only assume, no one wants to talk to me, esp since, as you can see, they do apparently converse with others. So... I guess I'm persona non gratis. And that's ok. I'm busy, I have a lot of responsibilities, that I care about, including a new litter. It would have really stretched my time, to help, but since it is important to me, I wanted to offer. We will continue to work with the akc, as we have done in the past. I guess if the BOD ever really needs MY help, they will have to contact me. |
| Deacon
13 Jan : 11:51 | Why would you need the board to give you a member's list that is already in the Neogram? More so why would the board give you a list of all the information of every member of the club? What would you need my information for? I read the meeting notes and it covers what is happening to the website. I do not find it hard to believe they are not updating the old site as it is being replaced. |
| JLBG
13 Jan : 13:13 | Thanks for posting the list of BoDs I didn't know who was on it. I can say though that I do know a few of them and before seeing this list these were some of the people I thought SHOULD make up the BoD. And I am 100% positive these same people are doing everything they can. I definitely understand Anne's issues and I know people are growing impatient, however, I think everyone should breathe and take a step back and put yourself in the other person's shoes. For those not on the BoD, try to keep in mind that these are people who have jobs and lives of their own, they can't revolve their entire world around the USNMC. For those members of the BoD, try to remember that it can be frustrating for other members to feel completely left out of the loop, so when you can, please keep them updated. Just my thoughts. |
| Brigda
13 Jan : 14:24 | It is not in the neogram, Troy, what are you trying to start, now. |
| Deacon
13 Jan : 15:19 | I guess I get the premium Neogram. Back to the question ... Why is it so important for you have the member's list that you rant like this over it? I can not think of a good reason they would give it to you. I read the minutes... Again in my Premium version of the Neogram and I can see they are doing many things. You do not seem to know about these things.... Do you not read the minutes? |
| pegnoca
13 Jan : 16:33 Reply to this | I guess I don't understand what you're saying, Troy.....are you saying you see a membership list in the latest issue of the Neogram? Becuase I don't have that in the issue I received either! Or are you saying a list of board members in the Neogram? Because THAT I have! peggy |
| Brigda
13 Jan : 18:25 | Troy, I think you should go back and read my post. I will say it for you again, and I honestly don't know why you are so rude all the time to me. I have only ever tried to help you. And this is how you act? I get the picture, ok, you actively dislike me. You have made your point. Yes, I have read the minutes, which aren't in there since oct, unless I get the basic membership website. And, No, Troy, just because you are so curious, and polite, I have been trying to get a CURRENT member's list, because I had complaints to file, but all my requests have fallen on deaf ears. I do have the emails to prove it. And so do others, because I have forwarded them. And this has been since September. And no, even tho I was told, there would be a current list of members in the neogram, there isn't. But, I guess, maybe, they tore that page out of the 2 they sent to my house. Baiting me, again, Troy?? Point taken. And yes, I do understand, you are "in" with the board. Congrats. It sure means a lot, doesn't it??? |
| Deacon
13 Jan : 20:55 | I have not the time or the desire to dislike you. I just like people to get to the point. You best of anyone would know the last Neogram was behind due to a issue with the cover picture/Ad and I believe a few other ads that had to be replaced. This put the Neogram out later than normal with out more current content. Still many of the topics you named where addressed in the same minutes we both read. I still think your dancing around the reason you want/need the members list. Surely you know who you are making the complain about so how does a current list aid in that? Baiting you? By asking questions of why your so upset that we demand the replacement of the board or at the least demand to have action from them right now !! Run them down for things they were not around to do that they are fixing or could not have done yet....Really if the mailing list is that important I will write a email on your behalf but why should everyone be after the board for 1 copy of the members list that did not get sent to you? I am not in with the board any more than the next person who is well manner, polite and patient. I know all the people I know from using the same internet you use and the same phone system as everyone uses. Granted I cook a mean home made pasta that by no means puts me in with the board more than anyone. |
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